finlayk
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Post by finlayk on Oct 8, 2007 9:00:17 GMT
Things are a changing....
Both Gelt/Steam tank lists....
1st: Andy Isherwood- Empire
2nd: Andy Chesney- Empire
3rd: Pawel Paszek- Wood Elves
4th: Jan Tran Lohaneski- High Elves
5th: Stefano Leoni- Bretonnians
6th: Fabrizio Tufo- Dwarfs
7th: Joe Sturge- Lizardmen
8th: Will Goodwin- Lizardmen
9th: Craig Namvar- Dwarfs
10th: Alex West- Bretonnians
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PaleKing
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Post by PaleKing on Oct 8, 2007 9:12:13 GMT
Gelt? Interesting. Ive only fielded him once, and never in 7th ed. Perhaps I'l dust him off once for a club game once the WPS tourney is over.
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finlayk
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Post by finlayk on Oct 8, 2007 10:22:27 GMT
This makes me panic about my puny ogres  are they gonna be ard enough for the gt or am i gonna have to paint 8 pegasus knights and dig out the bretonnians |
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Post by asterion on Oct 8, 2007 11:56:23 GMT
WPS is totally different Kevin. No special characters at the WPS for a start. And this is probably not a fair reflection of the Empire army either. It's hard to know when special characters are included. Same can be said of the dwarfs, who are such a different army with or without Thorek.
And on the brighter side, a HE army made 4th. That's an old and dated book now, yet right up there among all the new boys as well as the tried and trusted 6th ed power-armies of Brets and Slann. Although, it could have been a Teclis army I suppose, or SoC Seaguard! It's just really hard to judge the performance of various races' armies without knowing what they were. Any idea Kevin?
As for the WPS GT, make sure you have a look at the composition restrictions, scenarios and scenario cards, and you'll see how much the various power armies have been toned down.
For example WE, notoriously tough and successful army. But at WPS there are no pitched battles so no free wood, and only the woods that other players have brought - which will be few and far between. WE may fight most their battles without a wood on the board. No two-the-same-rare slots so no tag-treemen lists (or dual STanks for that matter!). Futhermore skirmishers won't get flank bonus in one of the scenarios. You will need US and standards to capture the 200pt table quarters in scenario 1. Light cav lose their light cav abilities if they hold the treasure in another scenario etc. etc.
THere are quite a few things to improve rank and file infantry and undermine heavy cav, skirmishers etc. Bottom line is that your ogres should be fine, don't change armies because you are worried about the competition.
Besides, everyone is used to Brets nowadays and have plans for each part of your army, whereas lots of people don't know ogres well at all.
INteresting to see Joe Sturge at 7 without his WE, and Alex West at 10 with his Bretonnians. He played with HE for 5 of the 6 years that 6th ed was out, was completely frustrated, and when he changed to Bretonnians he jumped 20-30 places in WPS tournie rankings overnight.
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finlayk
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Post by finlayk on Oct 8, 2007 12:58:32 GMT
I needed that... someone to throw water in my face and calm me down...
Cheers Jeff!
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Post by asterion on Oct 8, 2007 13:06:35 GMT
The winner's army. And apparently no. 2 was virtually identical (well, "identical" was how JS described it). Balthasar Gelt Warrior Priest- barded warhorse, heavy armour, shield, Doomfire Ring, Sword of Might Wizard- level 2, two Dispel Scrolls Wizard- level 2, Rod of Power, Ring of Volans 5 Knights- Musician 5 Knights- Musician 10 Swordsmen- Musician 10 Swordsmen, + 5 Swordsmen 5 Outriders- Marksman w/Hochland Rifle, Musician 5 Outriders- Marksman w/Hochland Rifle, Musician Cannon Mortar Steam Tank Only one steam tank, which was the exception. Not much in it apart from the magic!  |
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Post by GavX on Oct 8, 2007 13:43:04 GMT
at a glance those armies seems pretty easy to beat (though I am by no way saying they are, they just look it) I mean there is 50-odd models in them, and the STank to me doesnt seem overly great, but still, 8 levels of magic, and a warrior priest... dang thats alot of magic
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Post by asterion on Oct 8, 2007 14:14:54 GMT
I'm sure the first thing all that magic does is blast anything that could possibly be a threat to them or the STank. All lore of metal spells is a nice start.
Here's the HE list. Not entirely bent at all, although a notable lack of infantry! Those two bows are particularly nice to have on the field and will deal with most heavy troops you have to face. Just ask PB! I believe the Reaver bow has, on occasion, shischkabobbed a few Empire knights!
Prince: DA, Elven Steed-IB, Helm of Fortune, Bow of Seafarer, Amulet of PF, Lance, Halberd
Commander: DA, ES-IB, Reaver Bow, Enchanted Shield, Pure of Gut
Mage: Lv2, Seer, Channeller, Silver Wand, ES
Mage: Lv2, Seer, DS, ES
9 Silver Helms (FC, Lion Standard, 2+)
5 SHs (mus, 2+)
5 SHs (mus, 2+)
5 Dragon Princes (Mus, Banner of Sorcery)
2 Chariots
2 Eagles
2 RBTs
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Post by warsmith on Oct 8, 2007 19:42:38 GMT
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Post by wonderdog on Oct 8, 2007 20:21:44 GMT
thats just wrong... on so many levels |
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Post by asterion on Oct 9, 2007 6:04:04 GMT
Here's another, placed 18th i think:
Karl Franz, with hammer and dragon
3 level 2s
3 x 10 handgunners
2 stanks
That's it.
Oh, just checked the link. Same army!
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Post by asterion on Oct 9, 2007 9:03:10 GMT
By comparison here's one of the (probably) harder lists from the WPS GT. Still filth IMO! But you need to be ready to face lists like this.
Merrick Oberwald, Arch Lector of Norland
War Alter of Sigmar, Mace of Helstrum, Armour of Meteoric Iron
310 Pts (General)
Bendict Livinworth, Warrior Priest of Sigmar
Barded Warhorse, Alfred’s Casket of Sorcery, Heavy Armour, Great Hammer, Shield
149 Pts
Otto Khleb, Warrior Priest of Sigmar
Barded Warhorse, Doom Fire Ring, Sigils of Sigmar, Heavy Armour, Great Hammer, Shield
159 Pts
Gill Medd,, Battle Wizard
Dispel Scroll, Ring of Volands
145 Pts
Knightly Order x5
Champion, Standard and Musician, Warbanner
180 Pts
Knightly Order x5
Champion, Standard and Musician, Steel Standard
180 Pts
Knightly Order (Morr) x5
Champion, Standard and Musician, Banner of Arcane Warding
185 Pts
Handgunners x10
Marksman with Hochland Rifle
105 Pts
Outriders x5
Outrider Champion with Hochland Rifle, Musician
144 Pts
Pistolliers x 6
Outrider with Repeater Pistol, Musician
132 Pts
Great Cannons x2
200 Pts
Hellblaster Volley Gun
110 Pts
Steam Tank
300 Pts
2299 Pts
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Post by wonderdog on Oct 9, 2007 9:55:17 GMT
Fix 1 = Steamtank counts as 2 rare choices.
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finlayk
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Post by finlayk on Oct 9, 2007 10:04:13 GMT
Oh dear o dear o dear....
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PaleKing
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Post by PaleKing on Oct 9, 2007 10:22:42 GMT
For info, here's the list I'm planning on taking to WPS in November:
2300pt Empire list
WPS Tourney – 3rd & 4th November 2007
Characters
Arch Lector
War Altar, Heavy Armour, Shield,
Mace of Helsturm
Doomfire Ring
324
Warrior Priest
Heavy Armour, Shield, Barded Warhorse
Hammer of (Sword of) Battle
Van Horstmann’s Speculum
155
Captain
Pegasus, Full Plate, Lance
Enchanted Shield
Aldred’s Casket of Sorcery
162
Battle Wizard
2nd Level
Dispel Scroll
Dispel Scroll
150
Core Units
25 Swordsmen
inc. full command group
175
10 Handgunners
inc. Marksman with Hochland Long Rifle
105
10 Archers
80
19 Flagellants
190
5 Knights Panther
115
Special Units
6 Knights Panther of the Inner Circle
inc. full command group
War Banner
221
5 Outriders
on Barded steeds
inc. Champion with Hochland Long Rifle
136
Mortar
75
Rare Units
Helblaster Volley Gun
110
Steam Tank
300
2298pts
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are they gonna be ard enough for the gt or am i gonna have to paint 8 pegasus knights and dig out the bretonnians
